The United States of America, 1776-2021

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Well, that's all folks. We had a good run. But, Chuck Shumer, Nancy Pelosi and President Kamala Harris will do everything they can to turn us into a socialist fantasyland They're going to give citizenship to every illegal alien in the country so that they never lose another election, tax us into oblivion, kill the economy, eliminate the free market and make us all dependent upon them. In two years, we won't recognize this nation anymore. Watch and see.
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Bubs, I hope I'm wrong. But, I"m not.
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Turn on CNBC and listen to a few investors and people that made millions and billions. They will give you some hope.

Additionally, I would argue that most corporations do NOT want to see us go the way of the EU. Doing business over there SUCKS. They are taxed to death, have a bunch of government oversight, and constantly get push back when they grow too fast for regulators. They will lobby hard and fast to keep things from going off the tracks.

In the Senate, we are going to be stuck with a bunch of extremists on both sides. Who does that give power to if the extremists can't agree? The moderates. The two sides will have to get them to cross party lines and they won't do it for free. That also gives me hope.

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Master of My Domain wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:34 pm
Bubs, I hope I'm wrong. But, I"m not.
Your punctuation is wrong.

Sorry. I couldn't help myself. LOVE YOU!

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The rhetoric on both sides is disgusting. You can't claim Trump was an illegitimate president for 4 years with claims of Russian interference and then dismiss questions of voter integrity. And on the other side, you can't claim the vote is good with no issues and then 4 years later you won't accept the results when there is ZERO substantial evidence of voter fraud.

What is happening at the Capitol is because of one man. Make no bones about it.

He wants a banana republic. He's not a Republican. He has misled the American people for too long and refuses the outcome of the result of the election. Because of his words and his supporters' words, the Capitol is under siege and someone has been shot. Where is the law and order he supports? Well, I guess we know now that he only supports law and order when it supports him. It's one thing to storm the streets. It's another when you storm the US Capitol. I hope there is an investigation on whether the has incited violence and a coup.

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I disagree, Bubs. There were tons of witness testimony provided that there was election interference of all kinds...dead people voting, people who no longer lived in that state voting, Republican monitors not being allowed to watch the vote count, votes done in the wee hours of the morning after everybody was sent home, wild surges in Biden's vote count, Democrat officials making sweeping changes to the election that they did not have the authority to make and many more...I have to admit that I didn't follow it that closely because I knew that unless a giant smoking gun emerged (or the Supreme Court stepped in), it was going to be swept under the rug. The fix is in. Democrats hate Trump, and many Republicans do, too. They weren't going to allow him to win. They messed up the first time; they weren't going to a second time. Perhaps Biden won the election, but government officials used Covid as an excuse to create an election where the results were completely unreliable. We'll never know who really won this election.

Bubs, we already live in a banana republic. We have for some time. I don't condone what happened today at all, but this is where the country is going. I've said for a long time that America is crumbling and probably can't be saved, and I get met with tin foil hat gifs. This is going to get worse before it gets any better. We are as divided as we have been since 1865, and there is no reason to trust any of our institutions anymore.
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What do you mean "the fix was in"? You are talking about a conspiracy SO big that it would take THOUSANDS of people to pull it off. People from both the Republican and Democratic parties. Local, city, county, state, and federal personnel organized collusion. Governors, congressmen, election officials, pollsters, lobbyists. It's not possible. This is the same level of the Illuminati or the Moon landing wasn't real or the Tiananmen Square massacre didn't happen. That's why you get the tinfoil hat.

I absolutely and unequivocally support health skepticism. I have questions about how Pennsylvania changed the laws that some are calling unconstitutional. However, Trump still lost and lies have consequences.

All 10 living former secretaries of defense cautioned against any move to involve the military in pursuing claims of election fraud. Bill F'n Barr (who you have defended over and over) has stated Trump incited violence and called it a "betrayal". All living Presidents have made a statement against Trump's actions. The acting DHS director, Chris Christie, world leaders, Wisconsin, Florida, Michigan and Kentucky lawmakers, all condemn his actions.

The mob that stormed the capitol are Trumpists. They are recruited the same way that terrorists recruiter their followers. These people feel disenfranchised, devalued, and unheard. They need better paying jobs, a better understanding of faith, and feel like they provide value to their community and/or family. It's time to build up the middle class and give people purpose so they don't grab on to fringe ideas like Antifa and Proud Boys.

It's easier for people to believe in a conspiracy theory than to believe the truth. And when you give up your own values for a Golden Calf's lies, this is what you get.

And if we do now live in a banana republic, then Trump would know that and should have cheated better than the Democrats.

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What do you mean "the fix was in"?
The mail-in ballots. Democratic officials, particularly in swing states, ignored election law and unilaterally created a system of main-in ballots that was impossible to manage and created an environment where wide-scale cheating was easily done. When votes done at the polling places were counted, Trump was ahead, normally by large margins. But they just kept counting those mail-in ballots, and doggone it, they kept counting until they had enough.

Trump complained about this a lot, but to the best of my knowledge he did nothing to challenge it legally until after the election. Why he didn't mount a full legal challenge as soon as this happened is beyond me.

Additionally, I think it's possible (maybe even probable) that voting machines were manipulated/tampered with, but unless a whistleblower comes forward at some point, there will probably never be evidence of that. You can give me a tin foil hat for that one if you want on that one.
All 10 living former secretaries of defense cautioned against any move to involve the military in pursuing claims of election fraud. Bill F'n Barr (who you have defended over and over) has stated Trump incited violence and called it a "betrayal". All living Presidents have made a statement against Trump's actions. The acting DHS director, Chris Christie, world leaders, Wisconsin, Florida, Michigan and Kentucky lawmakers, all condemn his actions.
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Master of My Domain wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:02 pm
The swamp protects itself. Barr had me fooled, but he revealed his true self at the end.
Mick Mulvaney, deputy national security advisor Matt Pottinger, social secretary Rickie Niceta, deputy press secretary Sarah Matthews, and for what it's worth, Stephanie Grisham - chief of staff for the first lady have all resigned. They ALL can't be wrong about Trump. He is more concerned with his own well being and interests than the country. Self before country is what he will be known for.

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All of these folks resigning is a joke...they have like two weeks left. Wow, way to make a stand! This is just grandstanding and posturing so that hopefully they can put some distance between themselves and Trump as they try to remain in government and/or politics in some capacity. Very few people in politics, on either side of the aisle, have any real principles.
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I don't disagree. It is a joke but it does add to a long, long list of people that have left him.

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Interesting conversation here. The fix has been in since HIllary lost because the Dems did not cheat enough in 2016.
I was especially disappointed that Joe Frazier voted for Biden in Philadelphia. Joe Frazier was a registered Republican and passed on to the big boxing ring in the sky in 2011.
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